I don’t think I saw this one shared here yet! A conversation Tristan @ dbt Lbs, Benn @ Mode and David @ Avora: https://roundup.getdbt.com/p/ep-26-the-bundling-vs-unbundling Some quotes relevant to our DataOps OS approach:

David: If you think about how things like web development and software engineering have gone, they have a very complicated stack of many different tools that join together to deliver the best solution for any given organization. And I could see us going that way.

Benn: I don’t think [the difficult experience of many small tools] is a bad thing. This is what happens like this chaos is part of the natural process of technology improving. But I think that for now, we have to figure out how to deal with that mess. I don’t think just because it’s like we have individual pieces of technology that are good. That means the overall experience is good.

Tristan: I don’t think that in software engineering land in the two-thousands, when you were seeing the rise of web frameworks. I don’t think that there were arguments about bundling and unbundling.

I frequently find myself in a lot of these debates, thinking that like it’s not actually one or the other, it is how do you get both. I think about this from like a composability standpoint and like creating experiences for users, as opposed to like trying to win technology.

Benn: We’re not trying to build technology. Like, yes, technology is part of that, but at the end of the day, this is a big problem and it’s more akin to me. Why isn’t there a CRM stack? There’s not, there’s just Salesforce built a better CRM than everybody else. And the tack on a bunch of stuff. And everybody bought a Salesforce.

Like this is a bigger thing than Salesforce is a bigger thing than the CRM, but I think it’s closer to that experience than it is web development frameworks, where it was just technology.

It seems like dbt sees itself as the Salesforce that everyone will tack stuff onto, while we are like a web development framework that can be built on top of. They also characterize themselves as the “cornerstone of the data stack” while we are the foundation.

Tristan: In a world where these types of [legal] guarantees in the enterprise are coming from the platform or the app store instead of coming from the individual vendors, we could have built a totally different company.

One out of a few mentions of an app store/marketplace, which is essentially what our Hub will be!